tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31847967.post3518035741637961579..comments2023-10-01T05:55:44.566-04:00Comments on The Rest Stop: It DependsKurt Strassnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08472712721766414372noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31847967.post-69159616773843462032010-06-05T22:45:13.608-04:002010-06-05T22:45:13.608-04:00Don't know Wuest (though the name sounds famil...Don't know Wuest (though the name sounds familiar). But I agree with MLJ that the passage is, indeed, all about union with Christ ... just think Paul is using water baptism as a symbol of that immersion into/union with Christ (and thus conferring a high level of importance upon believer's baptism). It's the perfect picture of what God has done for and to us in Jesus.<br /><br />But again, as a baptist, I suppose that interpretation plays into my hands, doesn't it? :)<br /><br />You all surely rate a visit! Not sure what our plans are yet, but we hope to arrive in the afternoon on Tuesday the 13th ... and not leave 'til the following Monday AM. We'll keep you in the loop.Kurt Strassnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08472712721766414372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31847967.post-21917758134504243652010-06-05T21:26:18.482-04:002010-06-05T21:26:18.482-04:00well, a different track from Lloyd-Jones regarding...well, a different track from Lloyd-Jones regarding Rom 6...though he certainly had a high regard for baptism--just didn't think those verses were talking about water baptism, but about being placed into Christ--about union with Christ. He felt too many miss this most important doctrine in this passage by being 'diverted' by the word baptism. Of course, he makes a stunning case and I find it hard to disagree (when I'm reading his writing)--almost all others I've looked at think these verses have water baptism in mind EXCEPT for Kenneth Wuest in his word studies, which are excellent, in my very small and, I hope, humble opinion. He asked pertinent questions of the translators. You may know some 'reason' why he would tend toward this in his thinking. I cannot find much about him, except that he was a 'beloved professor'and on the panel of translators for the NASV (i think). Was he baptist, I wonder? thanks for your thoughts, Kathy Do I rate a visit from the Strassners in July??? hey, I know it's hard when you're so popular! I'll take whatever I can get..a meal, overnight, or just a few minutes ..sniff, sniff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31847967.post-9171147604764653722010-06-04T20:44:20.123-04:002010-06-04T20:44:20.123-04:00Coming to MS in mid July! Planning to preach at C...Coming to MS in mid July! Planning to preach at CCC, Lord willing. <br /><br />On being baptized into Christ's death ... briefly, I think it refers simply to water baptism as a picture of the old man's death with Christ. The burial under the water is a perfect symbol of what happened to the old man. He/she is as good as dead and buried because Christ was dead. We are buried ... or, via the symbol, baptized ... with/into Christ. <br /><br />In the NT, water baptism is almost inseparable from faith (though not the same thing, as the thief would tell us). Therefore, Paul can speak of our being "baptized into Christ's death" as a synonym for entering into the experience of death to sin by faith in Christ ... because the act of faith (when we enter into the experience of death to sin, with Christ) is symbolized and always followed, in the NT, by water baptism. The two are almost synonymous in this passage.<br /><br />So in essence, being "baptized into His death", I think, simply another way of referring to placing your faith in Jesus (followed by the symbol of baptism) ... by which faith we enter into the reality of being dead and buried to sin and with Christ. <br /><br />Of course one has to be baptistic to interpret these verses in this way. But I think it is correct. Especially since the resurrection to newness of life (v.4) also fits right into the symbol. We go under the water to symbolize that we are dead to sin, with Jesus and like Jesus. We come back out of the water as a symbol that, with Jesus and like Jesus, we have been raised to new life.<br /><br />Thoughts? Hope this is somewhat helpful. Perhaps a different track from MLJ?Kurt Strassnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08472712721766414372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31847967.post-62140033498463410382010-06-04T20:06:42.841-04:002010-06-04T20:06:42.841-04:00Kurt, am just now checking back..sorry you haven&#...Kurt, am just now checking back..sorry you haven't anything on those verses. I'm not really looking for 'quotes',sir, but for a clearer understanding...(though I'd be quick to quote you, too.) so, what does it mean to be baptized into Jesus' death? I'd just love to hear your words---but won't expect it since I know how busy a pastor/husband/daddy can be...FYI, my comment on your posts to anyone is:'they are always worth reading'. Come to MS soon, KAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31847967.post-70740044112624217672010-06-01T07:42:08.375-04:002010-06-01T07:42:08.375-04:00Kathy ... I don't have anything on the first s...Kathy ... I don't have anything on the first six verses of chapter 6. Sorry! We are reading through Romans in our prayer meeting, so I have just been posting brief devotional thoughts from each section as we've gone along. I think we read verses 1-11 in one setting ... and I wrote only on verse 11.<br /><br />I am sure Lloyd-Jones is far more quotable than me anyway! But thanks for reading. Hope you get some small benefit from these little articles.<br /><br />Praying for you and AnnMarie...Kurt Strassnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08472712721766414372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31847967.post-72516745761592739102010-05-31T23:57:41.223-04:002010-05-31T23:57:41.223-04:00O yes, what glorious mercy He has shown toward me!...O yes, what glorious mercy He has shown toward me! Have you written anything on Rom 6, verses 1,2,3,4,5,6? Or do you have sermons that you preached available? Refresh me on where/how to access them, please. Our summer Ladies' bible study is on this chapter-we're reading DML-J's book. Your posts have been so helpful to me and I'd love to read/hear your thoughts on these early verses...AnnMarie is better--I did finally put her on medication that is supposed to help with 'mood stabilizing' but she does still have difficulties in a was she did not before all this. Every day is from God. Thank you much for your prayers. KathyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com